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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Nov 21, 2012 14:42:40 GMT -5
The new IR rules allow a team to designate a player as a player on IR that can be brought back. We put players on IR and they don't count against the cap. If the NFL player is brought back, can we reactivate the player to the active roster and pay the salary again with our cap?
On a unrelated note... but kind of unrelated, since it applies to IR rules, but not to the question above:
I have reactivated Danario Alexander to my active roster from IR and added his salary back into my cap as an active roster player. Alexander was put on IR by the Rams and then released in some sort of injury settlement. Now with the Chargers, Alexander is not on IR. This is likley a very isolated instance that won't occur often, but Alexander isn't on IR anymore and not even on the team that put him on IR... so I'm using him due to my desperation at WR.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Nov 22, 2012 0:12:21 GMT -5
Thanks for mentioning it because it slipped my attention on the transom. I'm afraid our rule is quite clear on this matter: "Once a player is put on IR he may not be removed until the end of the season."
I agree our IR rule could stand updating but for now it, uh, isn't updated. You have to keep Alexander on IR and you may reverse your buyout of Mark Sanchez if you want.
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Nov 22, 2012 0:52:01 GMT -5
True, the rules do state that IR players have to stay on IR. However, my player is not on IR in the NFL. The criteria before having to remain on IR is that a player must be on the NFL IR to be on our IR. D.Alexander doesn't quality to be on IR anymore, since he became a free agent in the NFL and was signed by a team that has him on the active roster. D.Alexander isn't one of the players in question that can be activated by the NFL. He was on IR, then a free agent, and now an active player in the NFL. Totally different situations from those guys and Alexander is a very odd case. If D.Alexander is remanded to our IR, then we can have non-IR NFL players on IR? That seems like a much slippery'r slope then taking D.Alexander off IR since he's not on NFL IR, which is the most important component for IR to avoid teams being able to stash players or ditch high priced players on the IR.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Nov 22, 2012 1:09:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry, and I feel particularly bad about giving you a negative ruling on the eve of our crucial matchup, but i see zero wiggle room in "Once a player is put on IR he may not be removed until the end of the season." FYI the entire rule on IR reads: Injured Reserve You will be allowed to place unlimited players onto your IR. For someone to be placed on the IR they must be on IR in the NFL Once a player is put on IR he may not be removed until the end of the season. When a player is on IR their salary does not count against your salary cap. They also do not count against your active roster maximum. Which as you can see also fails to accommodate the new designated-to-return rule. You've made a great argument for changing the rule. But it's still the rule.
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Post by Waddling Mummies GM on Nov 22, 2012 1:53:05 GMT -5
And to back up Sean here the rule while does not account for players now being able to be taken off IR, your case does meet the criteria. 1 he was placed on IR in te NFL so you were able to put him there. Which you did. And 2 it states he must stay there all year. While this rule is out dated it still is viable.
I think its still a good rule even with players being allowed to be taken off IR. Because they do not count against cap or active roster. With them not counting against us on IR it makes for a bevy of mistakes of cap and roster.
If you want to change the rule so we can take players off IR like the NFL they should at minimum count against the cap. In the NFL they count against the cap but not the 53 man roster. This has been my stance from day 1 but I was outvoted.
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Nov 22, 2012 10:19:41 GMT -5
Well, it was worth a shot. I'm the rest of my games anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Nov 22, 2012 10:26:23 GMT -5
On a side note... I can't put him back on IR since he's not on IR.
Need Sean assistance. Please turn off the IR requirement, put D.Alexander on my MFL IR and they turn back on the IR requirement. It will allow the player there and just show a warning since he's not on IR, but he'll be back there. thanks.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Nov 22, 2012 17:59:28 GMT -5
Will do, thanks. More work for me = another argument in favor of updating the rule.
ETA: Let me know if there are any other consequences of this I need to fix.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Dec 20, 2012 22:12:10 GMT -5
There are 2 ideas about changing our IR Rules.
1) Update it to allow designation to return. Should promoting the player here be mandatory when the NFL promotes him back to the active roster, or optional?
2) It has also been suggested we set a limit on the number of IR spots.
Further discussion?
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Dec 21, 2012 1:22:12 GMT -5
I think players activated from IR by their NFL teams should have to come back to the active roster. Teams have to designate that IR player as the one they have the option to bring back, so it's not a surprise which players might be brought back. Teams in our league would need to keep that in mind with their cap.
This had the ability to get a little confusing, so although I'm in favor or mandatory return to the active roster... it likley has to be optional.
If a player on NFL is activated by the NFL team, but stays on our IR... I think that any player on our IR (but active in the NFL) that is traded would be mandated to go to the new teams active roster.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Dec 21, 2012 2:36:52 GMT -5
frankly it's less confusing and easier for me to make it mandatory. otherwise it's just a cheap way to stash players.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Dec 27, 2012 14:57:25 GMT -5
I'm going to post the following proposal as a poll:
Players who are placed on injured reserve with designation to return in the NFL may be placed on the IR. Once the player has returned from injured reserve in the NFL, that player must be returned back to the Active Roster or bought out.
All other IR issues require further discussion to become proposals in my view. Although if someone suggests a limit on number of IR spots and another owner seconds it, I'll post a poll for that as well.
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Post by Tulsa Roughnecks GM on Feb 23, 2013 16:05:32 GMT -5
I closed the poll as it was running 5-4 and declared that the motion did not pass. I'm kinda stunned as I thought this proposal was the one with the best chance of sailing right through. Although conceivably it could pass 6-4, the vote has been open long enough and I feel any effort I would make to keep it going would cross the commissioner line from neutrality to activism.
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