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Post by Washington Imperials GM on Feb 8, 2010 21:32:12 GMT -5
we will be looking for a simple majority to pass this.
If a player retires with years left on contract you may keep them on your active roster and pay thier salary as normal or you may move them to a reserved retired list (no limit to players but you must provide link to prove player is retired) once on the reserve retired list his salary does not count against your cap.
If the player does not come back to the NFL by Week One of the season he retires the player must be dropped at no penalty. This drop may not happen until the start of Week One of the Regular Season.
If a player unretires by week one of the NFL season he must be moved back to the active roster or bought out using regular buyout rules by week one of the regular NFL Season. This move must happen immediately unless the action would put the team the retired player is on over the salary cap.
If buying out the player causes the owner to be over the salary cap he must then be moved to the active roster instead.
If moving the player to the active roster causes the team to go over the cap he remain on the reserved retired list until that team reduces his salary cap to a point where the retired player will not cause the team he is on to be over the salary cap.
If by Week One of the NFL regular season the (unretired) player is still on the retired reserved list he will be cut for no cost to the free agent pool but the team he played for will be penalized by losing a draft pick.
Players on the reserved retired list can not be traded unless they return to the NFL.
Determining the draft pick penalty.
If the retired player that causes the loss of a draft pick costs $5 or more in annual salary the offending team loses a 1st round draft pick.
If the retired player that causes the loss of a draft pick costs $3-$4 in annual salary the offending team loses a 2nd round draft pick.
If the retired player that causes the loss of a draft pick costs $2 or less in annual salary the offending team loses a 3rd round draft pick.
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Post by Scottish Claymores GM on Feb 9, 2010 7:56:13 GMT -5
Cost for determining pick losses = yearly salary or the buyout cost?
I like the idea that if you've already used the cash you get hit with a draft pick loss, it makes salary management even more important.
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Feb 9, 2010 10:03:05 GMT -5
I guess this is meant to indirectly cover permanently injured players on a long term basis as well. At some point, I suppose a permanently injured player will actually formally retire and be covered by this rule as well. We'll have to carry them on IR and count them against the cap until they formally retire at some point or else have to buy them out.
This rule won't effect indefinitly or permanently suspended players, since it appears you are not offically retired players. So we are to carry Vick, Stallworth, S.Jones, etc in our cap for years or be forced to buy them out.
I would have rather seen the wording of "non-NFL rostered player" instead of retired players, but I suppose it's being specifically narrowed to only players that are formally retired.
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Feb 9, 2010 10:13:36 GMT -5
The rule needs some clarification on the time frames.
Everything states by week one, so a player can be released without penalty and still actually be getting a draft pick penalty, since the remove, add back to roster and draft pick loss all state by week1.
Change to something with a clear deadline, like: remove retired player or add unretired player back to roster during week1 of the season and have the first reg season game time be the deadline. After the start of the first game of week1 - then the penalty comes into effect for any team that has not properly moved their player. An advantage is gained by the team at the start of the games, so that is the easiest deadline (probably a Thursday game).
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Post by Washington Imperials GM on Feb 9, 2010 12:20:45 GMT -5
Cost for determining pick losses = yearly salary or the buyout cost? I like the idea that if you've already used the cash you get hit with a draft pick loss, it makes salary management even more important. clarification it is anual salary not buyout cost. I will fix above
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Post by Washington Imperials GM on Feb 9, 2010 12:28:06 GMT -5
I guess this is meant to indirectly cover permanently injured players on a long term basis as well. At some point, I suppose a permanently injured player will actually formally retire and be covered by this rule as well. We'll have to carry them on IR and count them against the cap until they formally retire at some point or else have to buy them out. This rule won't effect indefinitly or permanently suspended players, since it appears you are not offically retired players. So we are to carry Vick, Stallworth, S.Jones, etc in our cap for years or be forced to buy them out. I would have rather seen the wording of "non-NFL rostered player" instead of retired players, but I suppose it's being specifically narrowed to only players that are formally retired. dynastyffl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=leaguerules&action=display&thread=17no need to reword anything as suspended players and injured players are already dealt with in the rules already written. The suspended player list and the injured reserve.
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Post by Washington Imperials GM on Feb 9, 2010 12:47:53 GMT -5
The rule needs some clarification on the time frames. Everything states by week one, so a player can be released without penalty and still actually be getting a draft pick penalty, since the remove, add back to roster and draft pick loss all state by week1. Change to something with a clear deadline, like: remove retired player or add unretired player back to roster during week1 of the season and have the first reg season game time be the deadline. After the start of the first game of week1 - then the penalty comes into effect for any team that has not properly moved their player. An advantage is gained by the team at the start of the games, so that is the easiest deadline (probably a Thursday game). Clarified this as well. Keep in mind we are not out to screw anyone. It was never our intention to force a person to lose a draft pick if a player retires and then is dropped as the rules allowed Week One.
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Post by AVERAGE HERO'S GM on Feb 9, 2010 13:48:29 GMT -5
The rules do address players on IR. I was just looking for an out for owners who have players that are not available to even be an option in FF due to nothing the manager did.
For instance, permanent injuries. Yes, if I have player x that has a horrible injury that is career ending, I can keep putting him on IR for the 3 years left on his contract and have him count $5 against my cap every year. There is no point to buying him out since he's not taking up a roster spot, so there is no reason to take a $15 one time cap hit. At some point, this player who can never player NFL football again will file for retirement and qualify under the retirement rule, but who knows when.
Just thought it was more of a league friendly rule to not have players counting against the cap who are useless. Players are put on IR so the team can save them for the future and bring in someone to fill the void in the meantime. If the player isn't coming back due to a career ending injury, then there is no point for my team to want to pay them for future use on IR and they aren't showing up to play NFL football at any point. There is no "out" to get these few and far between examples from holding teams back.... that's all.
The rule allows players to be moved off the roster and only count agaisnt the cap, but no means to get rid of a players remaining contract years so the team can move on once it's clear a player isn't coming back. We have no conduct rules, attendance requirements, or anything like that to avoid a contract like the NFL does... so we are stuck paying player X $5 a year over the next three years on IR after the NFL team is no longer paying him since their contracts aren't garunteed (like ours apparently are). This does nothing long term for the team, but hurts the now and in the future.
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Post by Waddling Mummies GM on Feb 9, 2010 14:18:27 GMT -5
The rules do address players on IR. I was just looking for an out for owners who have players that are not available to even be an option in FF due to nothing the manager did. For instance, permanent injuries. Yes, if I have player x that has a horrible injury that is career ending, I can keep putting him on IR for the 3 years left on his contract and have him count $5 against my cap every year. There is no point to buying him out since he's not taking up a roster spot, so there is no reason to take a $15 one time cap hit. At some point, this player who can never player NFL football again will file for retirement and qualify under the retirement rule, but who knows when. Just thought it was more of a league friendly rule to not have players counting against the cap who are useless. Players are put on IR so the team can save them for the future and bring in someone to fill the void in the meantime. If the player isn't coming back due to a career ending injury, then there is no point for my team to want to pay them for future use on IR and they aren't showing up to play NFL football at any point. There is no "out" to get these few and far between examples from holding teams back.... that's all. The rule allows players to be moved off the roster and only count agaisnt the cap, but no means to get rid of a players remaining contract years so the team can move on once it's clear a player isn't coming back. We have no conduct rules, attendance requirements, or anything like that to avoid a contract like the NFL does... so we are stuck paying player X $5 a year over the next three years on IR after the NFL team is no longer paying him since their contracts aren't garunteed (like ours apparently are). This does nothing long term for the team, but hurts the now and in the future. I think most player who have carrear ending injuries will retire during that season or at the end of the season. but there are some players like Drew Brees and Cadilac williams where everyone thought they were done for their carrear but they were able to return. in the case of Caddilac, he never retired and missed 1-2 years after the seasons injury. for that owner it does suck he doesnt retire because he isnt retiring and no one knows if he will return, you just have to play the IR game. but i dont see a player that has an actuall carrear ending injury not retiring unless they think they will come back like Caddilac.
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Post by Washington Imperials GM on Feb 9, 2010 22:30:09 GMT -5
Sorry Heros can't really help you with the IR thing. There is a leadership impass on salary relief for IR players. Maybe it will change in the future maybe it will not. I can not predict the future.
The above policy it what we have come up with to adress a player like Kurt Warner that can not be handled any other way. We are not going to change the policy and it's intent. It is what it is. If something needs clarified we will clarify it so that people understand exactly what this policy is.
This way they may make an informed decision
The good thing at this point is that you the owner get to choose weather or not to adopt this policy or leave things as they are. I understand that you are not entirely satisfied. So the question I bring to you... Is something better than nothing?
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